NP0010 Is Mindfulness Enough?

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NP0010, Mindfulness, Session 2, Ron Siegel


Learn with Ron Siegel how Eastern mindfulness practices are affecting Western psychotherapy, why this union is clinically significant. Discover how the amalgamation of mindfulness and psychotherapy in America first began, the present state of the movement, and what the future of this integration may be.

After the session, please take a few minutes to engage in the Comment Board and let us know what you thought. What did Siegel discuss that was new to you? Do you have any specific questions for the presenter or for your peers? We invite you to share your thoughts, questions, and revelations, as well as including your name and hometown with your comments.

If you have any technical questions, please feel free to contact support@psychotherapynetworker.org. Thanks for your participation.

09.30.2011   Posted In: NP0010 Is Mindfulness Enough?   By Psychotherapy Networker
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  • 0 avatar Mary Donahue 10.05.2011 13:14
    Extremely useful discussion particularly with regard to movement between relative and absolute truth.
  • Not available avatar Susan StPierre 10.05.2011 13:20
    Mindfulness was such a global concept that I could only imagine using it in my own life experience, hoping my increased clarity would translate to better practice. This discussion helped to break it down so that I can now imagine how to use it with clients in a more intentional way based on client needs and stages of development .
    • Not available avatar Sylvie Hamel 10.11.2011 23:51
      Susan, Dr Siegel has edited a great book: "Mindfulness and Psychotherapy". You might find it useful.
  • 0 avatar Linda Graham 10.05.2011 13:34
    Thank you both for the focus on mindfulness and trauma. Another clinical modality that integrates mindfulness in to trauma treatment is Sensorimotor Psychotherapy developed by Pat Ogden. Awareness and acceptance of bodily-felt trauma memories, very fittng with the model Ron presented of John Briere. Again, thank you for such an excellent presentation.
    Linda Graham, MFT
    San Rafael, CA
  • -0.1 avatar Martha Minter 10.05.2011 13:43
    Excellent presentation - Thanks
  • Not available avatar D0ct0r T 10.05.2011 19:57
    Good stuff in this presentation/dialogue. I have a lot to learn about this and enjoyed the ease of discussion they had. I like this one over the first session personally.
  • 0 avatar Florence Calhoun 10.06.2011 18:54
    I am looking to expand my understanding of mindfulness as a tool to offer to my clients and to expand my own consciousness. Fortunately I had already read Ron Siegel's artcle in the Networker, which made watching this presentation much more useful, enjoyable, and enlightening. I appreciated the images, the slides, and the resources.
    Florence J. Calhoun, MFT
    Los Angeles, CA
  • Not available avatar Peter Culross 10.07.2011 22:21
    I take my hat off to Ron's indefatiguable and ageless enthusiasm, his sparkly energy, and his calm presence as well. His talk was a useful reminder that what can help people is often embarrassingly simple, and also reminded me of Einstein's quote, "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." Hence, it was reassuring to have Ron introduce some element of complexity in his approach... However, I can't seem to shake the feeling, listening to his Buddhist parables, of being back in Sunday School, listening to benignly pedagogical religious stories relayed with evangelical intensity... and also the vaguely dissonant feeling of participating in an Eastern 'wise teacher' (or Western scientific) model of applying technical knowledge from the expert authority to 'solve the problem'. This was releieved somewhat at the end when Rich asked about relational mindfulness. (I have addressed the question of equivalence in different 'Eastern' and 'Western' models of cosmological consciousness at www.SelfHelpPsychology.net)
  • Not available avatar Tracy Krause 10.09.2011 10:16
    I have been applying mindfulness in my clinical practice within a DBT focus for the last 5 years. I can see taking that practice both for clients and myself to another level as a result of this presentation's clear framework and steps for moving toward acceptance and compassion. Another excellent Psychotherapy Networker video. Thanks to all involved!
  • Not available avatar jim brillon 10.09.2011 21:11
    A brilliant presentation of how to use mindfulness with clients. I was especially amazed at Ron's delineation between how the evolutionary mind (constant vigilance) and mindfulness (realizing safety and attending to our inner world) can both be attended to without judgement. This series is wonderful. I have so many more resources to pursue due to the sparks ignited here. Thank You.
  • Not available avatar Martha Gunzburg 10.09.2011 22:11
    This is my first experience with psychotherapy networkers' video series. My hats off to Rich Simon. I read Ron's article, enjoyed it thoroughly, but it really fleshed out by actually experiencing the author. Your presence came through. You embodied what you were discussing. I appreciated the thoughtful questions and the clarity of the answers, along with the delightful every day metaphors to explain things. When you were discussing evolutionary psychology and the pecking order, I started to notice how many male experts compared to females there are in this series. I'd love to hear both of your thoughts about that.
  • Not available avatar Natalija 10.10.2011 16:26
    Thank you Rich and Ron. The presentation is excellent.I especially enjoyed discussions on objects of attention,relative or absolute truth and turning toward afety/sharp point.This is giving me nice ideas on how to apply mindfulness into practice.
    all the best
  • Not available avatar Merrilee Gibson 10.10.2011 18:04
    This presentation was enormously enlightening and enriching, a supremely clear-eyed and nuanced exposition of the subject. Thank you so much.
  • Not available avatar Ron Siegel 10.10.2011 18:49
    Thanks everyone for your warm words of appreciation. As to Peter's feeling that this felt a bit like Sunday school, I'm reminded of the idea of "ehipasiko" in Buddhist Psychology: Come and see for yourself. The idea is to accept nothing as doctrine, but rather try the practices yourself and see what you observe in the laboratory of your own mind. If your experience doesn't match with the teachings, don't accept the teachings.
  • Not available avatar Sharon Kocina 10.11.2011 11:22
    This was my favorite webinar of all of the ones I've seen so far! I knew a little about mindfulness, and this was a great roadmap.
    Thank you.
  • Not available avatar Phil 10.11.2011 13:12
    I saw Ron Siegel earlier this year in a weekend workshop so this was a good refresher for me. I'm really impressed with the clarity of his presentation and concise of his ideas. I concur that the therapist needs a firm grounding in psychotherapy and that mindfulness practices can add enormously to the therapeutic work, but one has to be selective about how, when and if they will be useful for any given particular individual. One way that I tend to view the therapeutic process is that it is in itself a mindfulness practice. To come to a relative stranger's office and begin disclosing personal thoughts and feelings immediately tends to increase one's awareness of the present moment.
    In this presentation I was particularly struck by Ron's description of how the evolutionary tendency of species to be concerned with rank translates into some of our modern human habits and tendencies I also found the description of processing trauma through the lens of dependent origination credited to John Briere a helpful way to formulate treatment for people with PTSD.
  • Not available avatar jay schlechter 10.16.2011 22:56
    thank you!
  • Not available avatar Marita 10.17.2011 00:06
    While the information presented was informative, I didn't hear anything about the "future" of the mindfulness movement as stated in the title of this session. What I heard was about the current usage of mindfulness. Thank you.
  • Not available avatar Nina 10.27.2011 16:18
    To the end discussion about how therapists can bring mindfulness into their clinical work, I think it's so very important to highlight having your own practice and your own experience. Mindfulness isn't about teaching from a book or curriculum and if you don't have your own appreciation of the experience, teaching it will most likely not be effective for your clients. Attending professional trainings are vital but not so much as practicing on a daily or weekly basis with either your own therapist or group of people with shared interests.

    I very much appreciated the discussion on how to present the practice using language appropriate to a particular group or individual.
    Thank you.
  • 0 avatar Tamar Chansky 11.08.2011 09:52
    Great presentation! I especially appreciate the colorful stories and metaphors-- the puppy, the camera, the telephone, tail-lights, the description of our ancestors and which ones "made it", the idea of coarse objects-- the heavy metal concert, vs. softer ones. These ideas/pictures are memorable and will be of immediate use in my sessions... today. Thanks!
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